Pretty good discussion of Shannon information. Greenwald hits the main point that Deepstate will always tell you what it wants you to hear. Elon is Deepstate. The discussers conclude validly that a forcible leak is always better than a permitted leak.

But Snowden and Manning still didn’t give out any Shannon. Regardless of their intentions, they were tools just like Elon.

In the end, blackboxing is ALWAYS the best way to acquire real info about a secretive organization or a secretive machine.

Spies rely on blackboxing more than decoding received info. Watch how the enemy responds to events. If possible, give the enemy an event under your control, mixed in with the ordinary events. Mark one of the bills in the payment, mark one of the facts in your communications or broadcasts. See where the bill goes or where the fact pops out.

If spies rely on blackboxing to read other spies, we should do the same.

Carver:

LOOK ABOUT YOU.
TAKE HOLD OF THE THINGS THAT ARE HERE.
TALK TO THEM.
LET THEM TALK TO YOU.